When the NCHC was formed, the league was going to do things better. That was one of the premises of breaking away from the WCHA schools. That status quo was no longer acceptable and needed to be changed.
One of the big selling points of hiring head of officials Don Adam was that the NCHC was going to work on training their on-ice officials. Almost two years into this new league, the NCHC is still plagued by many of the same issues that were front and center in the in the old WCHA. You have a great on-ice product that's officiated by sub-standard officials.
In my opinion, the NCHC has officials that shouldn't be reffing games at this level. This past weekend, NCHC officials Timm Walsh, Nick Krebsbach were absolutely brutal. Words can't explain what transpired. So, you have a video to watch.
First, you have a legitimate goal that should have counted. As you can see by watching the video, that the puck was clearly over the line.
There's no reason that goal shouldn't have counted. Watch the video, the puck was clearly over the line and in the net. The argument of the ref was going to blow the whistle, doesn't cut it in this instance.You have a puck that's not frozen and in play. If the refs were going to blow the whistle, there's no reason to spend five minutes reviewing the play. Right?
The second play, the puck is clearly not in the net and the refs take quite a bit of time to review the play.
would the problem be that Pogs and Gaardy were in the crease when OD took the shot?
ReplyDeleteOne of them was tackled so, that wasn't a reason.
Deleteand how is the body slam not called
ReplyDeleteOn Drakes goal, he was taken down, no call, too.
DeleteYeah, these reffing issues need to be addressed. All across the NCAA reffing seems to need an overhaul, more money for better refs or something. Housecleaning, probably not an easy solution out there...
DeleteThe first one is correct. #14 is clearly in the crease and makes contact with the goalie on the pad with the rebound and then moving forward knocking him back in the net before the puck enters the crease- and the reason the d-man took him down. Pretty obvious non goal. Not sure what the announcers were looking at. It doesn't matter if the puck crosses the goal line if there is someone in the crease before the puck goes in and there is any obstruction that doesn't allow the goaltender to make the save.
ReplyDeleteThe video 32-35 seconds in overhead shows it pretty clearly.
Poganski was in the crease legally when he was grabbed from behind and body slammed. There is no crease violation.
DeleteJust to be clear, the puck is in the crease initially but the rebound comes outside the crease when 21 shoots it and 14 is in the crease and made contact with the goalie.
ReplyDeleteThe crease rule is kind of like offsides. The puck has to go in the crease before the player. The player can not already be fully in there before the puck enters.
ReplyDeleteSo when the puck rebounded outside the crease when 21 shot it there technically were 2 players in the crease. 14 and 13.
ReplyDeleteSee rule 73 on pages 56-58.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/IH16.pdf
cburgy, you must be a Buffalo Sabres fan? LOL, I agree the players in the crease should have disallowed the goal, but the zebras chose to give a different explanation unless we have received poor information.
ReplyDeleteRuffnekred ay, is right. Virg Foss was told by the Mike Schmidt that they were looking at intent to blow the whistle. That's a code for we blew the call and it's a catch-all phrase.
DeleteThe UND players in front of the goalie was yanked down by the DU player so that negates the argument. That should have been a minor penalty.
"Intent to blow the whistle." The problem with that is the puck was never covered, the whistle only blew after the goal. Therefore either the refs screwed up the replay or screwed up by thinking the puck was covered.
DeleteEither way they took a goal away.
Nope, just a big college hockey fan. I listened to it again and there was no reason given. The announcers were so focused on the puck crossing the line they didn't notice the goalie was pushed into the net before the puck ever entered the crease- pretty easy call for a ref. They were also speculating about an intent to blow the whistle.
ReplyDeleteThe goalie was pushed in by his own defenseman jumping on Poganski's back. That's not a goalie interference.
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj7RmrwLF_Y
DeleteHere's an official NCAA video meant to educate the officials on how to call the contact with the goalie rule. Pretty clear that the Denver player was pushing on Poganski and that's why they came up with the impossible to prove "intent to blow the whistle" ruling.
Of course there never was a reason to blow the whistle so it was official error either way.
I would hope no one is using Hammer and Kober as a hockey authority, I could buy the whistle theory as he was holding onto the net, could he have been ready to blow it on the body slam or the goalie being pushed into the net but never raised his whistle as he heard the other ref blow his? At some point you have to rely on the referee's judgment, unfortunately they are not showing very good judgement recently.
ReplyDeleteYou do realize that Kober played for UND and was actually and assistant coach for UND Hockey. It's not like he's a dummy.
Deleteyes, he lived a floor above me . he aint a rocket scientist either
ReplyDeleteSo, he's no rocket scientist. Huh, Kober and Hammer are very knowledgeable about their college hockey. I had a chance to sit with him during a hockey game, and Hammer is pretty read up on what is going on with UND hockey
DeleteWith all due respect to Kober's hockey playing abilities, you have to admit he struggles greatly in the current position. The NHL won't be calling him or Hammer anytime soon.
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