Clearly you'd expect the officials to do a better job on Saturday night. If you did, then you'd be wrong.
During the first period the Sioux scored a goal that was disallowed. The officials through the public address system told us it was because the whistle had blown. At the time we knew it hadn't. The replay confirms that.
Right before the puck goes in you can see it in front of the goalies right pad. (On this video it looks like a shadow, but the stands behind the goalie are darker than the playing surface so it is the puck.) The whistle never blew until the puck was in the back of the net.
I guess the official claimed at the time that the goal doesn't count because he "intended" to stop play when he couldn't see the puck. NCAA rules do allow that, but that shouldn't apply in this point. I can see the rule applying in the case where the puck is legitimately frozen by the goalie. You don't want to reward the other team for hacking on the goalies hands. Or I can see this rule being necessary if the referee is tripped up and can't blow the whistle when they need to.
On the other hand if the referee had blown the whistle it would have been a mistake. The puck wasn't frozen. Now it does happen often because when the referee can't see the puck they have to assume that it may be frozen and they stop play to protect the players. And a goal after the whistle has to be disallowed because you have to assume that a player might have been able to stop it, but they quit as soon as the whistle blew.
In this case the play shouldn't have been stopped. It wasn't stopped. We scored a goal. That goal should count.
You can see that the referee had the whistle in his mouth a long time before the goal was scored. If he really wanted to stop the play he could have. As bad as his interpretation of the rules is, the fact that he didn't blow the whistle before he did makes him out to be a liar.
What's particularly galling is that on Friday night the shoe was on the other foot. This same referee had a longer time to blow the whistle and never did. The opposing team scored and this official counted it. Friday night it didn't matter much. We still won by two goals. Saturday night the one goal he took away was the margin of victory for the opposing game.
The two officials that the WCHA sent to officiate this game this weekend, Don Adam and Tim Walsh, should be fired. Adam's got an history of allowing Sioux players to get badly injured. Walsh comes off as entirely incompetent.
Cross Posted from Say Anything Blog
AWESOME POST Whistler.
ReplyDeleteHow much of this stuff is happening at other teams/arenas?
ReplyDeleteCouldn't agree more... I find it unacceptacle that the best league in college hockey continiously suffers from the worst referee's.
ReplyDeleteTo me it looks like more of an issue that Dunn had it stopped and that Hextall jabbed at it until he pushed the goalies leg (with the puck under it) into the goal.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to have to agree on this disallowed goal...no goal.
As far as control, who are you kidding?!?! The refs are never on top of that accurately. There were several times in Mankato last weekend when the puck was stopped by the goalie and they didn't whistle at all for quite a while (in one case Mouillierat started to do exactly what Hextall did...probably figuring "hell, if they didn't blow it dead then I'm going to keep on going for the puck") and then one time the CC goalie bobbled the puck, dropped it and a Maverick gained control of it and started to skate off and during his goal attempt, they then decided to blow the whistle.
That whole "I meant to blow the whistle" thing is pretty suspect if you ask me.
Also, I believe that one of WI's "letters of apology" a couple of seasons ago was due to an issue like that?
The "Jig" is up for the WCHA officials, it now time for the fans to voice their displeasure with the league office to their Athletic departments. The League office is oblivious and they don't even bother answer emails from fans anymore You also can't find contact information for the WCHA anymore.
ReplyDeleteMy main question in that whole scenario with the disallowed goal is why did the ref need to look at a replay to see if the ref himself meant to blow the whistle? How does the replay help with that call? Only he knows when he intended to blow his whistle and I don't think there is any way to see the exact moment his brain said "Blow the whistle" by looking at a replay.
ReplyDeleteMav's your nuts. The puck is clearly visible in front of the goalie pad. It was never covered.
ReplyDeleteSeejowski:
That's a good point. I think he only went to the replay to make it look like he was open minded.
I noticed on the replay (don't know if it's in this youtube one) that he told Adam something and adam was nodding his head. Kinda like it was already decided before he looked.
Goon,I just want to apologize for the comment that I posted yesterday. My emotions got the best of me and I should not have said the stuff I did. You guys should have at least tied if not won the game. That was a goal and I we got a gift. Goon, you put great stuff out here and I really like reading your blog. I am sorry again. I agree with you on the officials, they suck. Once again, I apologize.
ReplyDeleteMike problem...
ReplyDeleteWhat kills me is that there are 44 people at most on the ice during a game. 40 of them aren't being paid.
ReplyDeleteThe ones that are getting paid are the ones that are pathetically incompetent.
You people need to stop complaining about the officiating. Let your own team decide the outcome and stop blaming it on the third party. Funny how it's only the losing team's fans that complain, huh? I'd like to see any of you guys out there. I've been a hockey official before and it's not easy, especially in the ultra-competitive WCHA. Forget about it and move on. It's gonna happen, nobody can be a "perfect" referee in any sport.
ReplyDeleteWCHADominates, not one person blamed the refs for the loss or their team's loses but enough is enough as a hockey fan I find it funny that the USHL, NHL and other leagues in college hockey can find competent refs to officiate their games but the WCHA is the laughing stock of college hockey.
ReplyDeleteThe officials in the WCHA suck and incompetent and unacceptable and we as fans should not just accept it. That goal on Saturdays should have counted I was right there and it wasn't frozen. Don Adam is a joke and his parter Walsh is even worse.
I try to save most of my critical work on the refs to games we win. (Such as Friday night.)
ReplyDeleteThis post is about a goal that was disallowed. We have the replay. The facts aren't in dispute.
It's not sour grapes, it's fact.
Officials will blow the whistle and stop play whenever they lose sight of the puck. It's not happening just in the WCHA, I have seen it happen in the CHL, ECHL, and SPHL as well.
ReplyDeleteSucks, but that is the standard. If the ref can't see the puck, he blows the whistle and the play is over.
RE: the hit on Genoway. Dirtiest play I have seen in college hockey in years. He didn't have the puck, and Marvin goes out of his way to crush him into the boards. That kid should be suspended for the season. I know you like hard hits, Goon, but things are getting out of control on the ice. The players have ZERO respect for their opponents. It is time that the conference AND the coaches say enough is enough, and start suspending players for this cheap shots on star players...
RJ I like hard hits but not the ones that are illegal. I would never the promote a hit like that. I will from time to time post hits that earn a suspension.
ReplyDeleteI find it funny that some of the SCSU fans think this hit isn't too bad. http://ow.ly/CNyR
ReplyDeleteI like a hard legal hit not bush league hits.
ReplyDeleteWe should protect ALL players not just "star" players.
ReplyDeleteRJ, I agree with you fast whistles are a part of the game.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand no whistles are something that don't exist.
Cry me a river you whiners.
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