Saturday, March 14, 2009

Bison Basketball in ND History.


There has been this on going debate over on siouxsports.com about how Sioux fans should be cheering for the Bison in the NCAA basketball tourney because they represent the state of North Dakota and if you don't cheer for the Bison then you're not pro-North Dakota. Spare us the silly lecture please. That is one of the silliest arguments I have ever heard. First off the Bison are representing North Dakota State University in basketball that's it. On the Bison's roster there are a grand total of three players from the great state of North Dakota, a majority of the players (8) are from Minnesota.

Also, Sioux fans aren't required to cheer for the Bison and not cheering for them doesn’t make one anti-North Dakota. If some Sioux fans decide to cheer for the Bison in the NCAA Division one basketball tourney that is their decision and good for them. I don’t have a problem with that. That is their choice.

Make no mistake about it, there are a lot of Sioux fans like me still look to the Bison as being our heated rival and they will always be, there is no way under any circumstances we could ever cheer for them. To me the Bison logo is as offensive of a symbol is as hated at the Golden Gophers "M" or the Green Bay Packers yellow helmets.

Also, there has been this on going argument if the Bison make the NCAA tourney that it would be the biggest story to ever come out of North Dakota. This argument started over on Mike McFeely's blog. While the Bison making the NCAA tourney it’s first year as a full division one program it is hardly the biggest North Dakota sports story of all-time. This accomplishment is small in comparison to the history of Fighting Sioux hockey. In today’s Grand Forks, Herald former Fighting Sioux Hockey beat writer Virg Foss addresses this subject in his column today. I think his article hits a lot of the important points.

It is an outstanding accomplishment. Kudos to the Bison, let me be clear on that.

But someone had to win the Summit League postseason basketball tournament and earn the bid to the NCAA tournament. NDSU, the most veteran and polished team in the league, was that one, as expected.

The true test of where this NDSU team will rank in state sports history comes in whether it can win a game or two in the tournament. The bet here is that it will be one-and-done for the Bison.

If that’s what happens, the Bison basketball team might be a candidate for a top five place in state history as trailblazers in the sport on the college level in our state. But that’s all.

Who else ranks higher? Phil Jackson might win more NBA championships than any coach in league history. That has to rank at or near the top all-time in the history of state sports.

You can’t overlook the 61 homers for the New York Yankees by Roger Maris in 1961, a major league record for someone not on drugs of some kind. Sure, he’s not a North Dakota native, but he spent his significant years for development in Grand Forks and Fargo, so we claim him.

You can’t overlook Tony Hrkac and Ryan Duncan from UND winning Hobey Baker Awards as the top players in NCAA Division I hockey. Or Mark Taylor being named the nation’s best college player by The Hockey News magazine the year before the Hobey Award came into existence.

How about the 116 points in the 1986-87 season for Hrkac, a national record that may never be broken.

So until the time a basketball team from NDSU or UND wins an NCAA Division I championship, I would rank Fighting Sioux hockey and its seven national championships at the top of my list, along with Jackson’s achievements.

They are accomplishments that have stood the test of time, during a lifetime in Jackson’s case, during the lifetimes of hundreds of athletes in the case of Sioux hockey.

There are those who will say college hockey, with less than 60 schools playing it at the Division I level, should be knocked down a peg or two when 340-some colleges that play NCAA Division I men’s basketball.

That’s a shallow argument. College hockey at UND is played at a truly unique level in the state. The reputation and respect the program has on a national level for excellence is well-earned.

Need proof? UND has placed more players into the top pro league (the NHL) in one sport than NDSU has in all of its sports combined.

So let’s take what NDSU did in men’s basketball this season and honor it for what it is, an outstanding achievement worthy of praise.

But don’t kid yourself. As the biggest sports accomplishment in North Dakota history, it’s not even close — unless the Bison win the whole dang thing.
(read the whole story here)

10 comments:

  1. I am a Fargo native and attended NDSU before transferring to the University of Idaho. While I am proud of NDSU and their athletic department's achievements I whole-heartedly agree that Fighting Sioux Hockey is the number one success story in ND sports. I live and breathe Sioux hockey. Year after year they are among the best in the nation and are second (along with Denver) in national championships (7); second only to Michigan (9). Although I never attended UND, I am very proud to be a UND Fighting Sioux hockey fan. Kudos to the Bison basketball team. But winning the Summit League is a far cry from winning the WCHA and Frozen Four.

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  2. One more thing... What about Bison Football? They have numerous national Division II titles and were a dynasty in the 80's. Furthermore, they have accomplished a lot in the short amount of time in DI football. Plus they beat the Gophers which says a lot about NDSU's football program. Bison football should be mentioned before Bison basketball.

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  3. The fact that the Bison beat the Gophers in football means absolutely nothing because the Gopher football team is one step above a fresh pile of horse manure. One cannot argue about the top three programs in college hockey because stats like league titles and national titles are the holy grail of college hockey. Thus they are ranked in order: 1) Michigan 2-tie) North Dakota & Denver. WCHA = 37 national titles, Hockey East = 14. Thus WCHA > Hockey East.

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  4. Completely agree with you and the article. Congrats to NDSU for a great season and winning there division; therefore, earing the right to go to the NCAA tourney. UND in DIV 1 is there every single season (basically) in a 16 team tourney. The accomplishment is nice to go to the tourney, it means you had a good season, but to say its the greatest accomplishment that ND has ever had?! Absolutely a stupid agrument. With UND hockey (7 national championship in Div 1, a numerous runner ups) how can't that be the greatest ongoing accomplishment? North Dakota is known for there great hockey team, and the state will not be remembered as the state that made it to the NCAA bball tourney once. Give me a break and bring up this agrument after 7 or 8 berths to the NCAAs and a couple of wins in it.

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  5. Let me emphasize the "bring up this agrument after 7 or 8 berths to the NCAAs and a couple of wins in it." The agrument will be allowed, in my opinion, as a valid THOUGHT and DISCUSSION. Whether its true, not a chance. Sioux hockey will always be the most storied program in North Dakota and will ALWAYS be the most recognized program in the state. NDSU please hold your accomplishment close to your heart, but its not even as cool as your Div II football championships.

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  6. check out this website its Bisonville http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15900

    to be honest I kind of miss playing them guys in football because of all the back and forth banter between the two fan bases. As a Sioux fan I hope we get back to playing each other so we can say you can't spell sucks without NDSU. :)

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  7. Yeah Pete I think the Bison football team of the 1980's and 1990's has surpased a lot of what the Bison Basketball team is going through right now. I think NDSU will always be remember for its football before hockey.

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  8. yeah....it's nice to see NDSU basketball advance to some finals but comparing them to UND hockey is silly. Summit League? Even though we're transitioning to Division I, it's still the "little guys" of division I. It's like Holy Cross beating the Gophers. The underrated little guy beats the big guy...hooray! When it comes to the national college scene, UND IS the big guy! We're in the top 3 and nothing can diminish that.

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  9. Good point the Summit league is a mid major basketball team. I don't see any cinderella slipper on this team.

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  10. Any time a school like NDSU or UND beat a true D1 school like Minnesota it is the most important story in the history of the state of North Dakota sports history.

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