College Hockey in MSG

As reported by USCHO in December, the Big Ten Hockey conference will be playing games at Madison Square Garden.

I know, I know, a funny comment popped in my head, but I will save it for later. Last Saturday, Penn State and Michigan played in front of 13,479 fans.


Next December during the 2016-17 season, North Dakota and Boston College will play at Madison Square Garden. I've talked to a few people that have already made their travel plans. It will be interesting to see how many UND fans show up for that one.

With all of these games being scheduled for the garden. My question is, why have a Frozen Four at  Madison Square Garden?

USCHO.COM -- The Big Ten has rounded out its college hockey games at New York’s Madison Square Garden through 2018 as part of its Super Saturday series.

Wisconsin will play Ohio State on Jan. 28, 2017, while Minnesota will play Michigan State on Jan. 20, 2018.

Michigan and Penn State are set to start the Super Saturday — College Hoops & Hockey series this Saturday. (USCHO.COM)

I am kind of warming to the idea.

Michael Downing hit on Christian Lampasso

Michigan Wolverine defenseman Michael Downing was given a five-minute major and a game misconduct for this hit on Ohio State forward Christian Lampasso. I think this is a blown call by the on-ice officials. In my opinion, this is a legal shoulder-to-shoulder hit. But do you expect from Tom Sterns, Brian Thul?

OSU will head to the PP as Mike Downing gets called for a major for contact to the head, also given a game misconduct. 2-0 (10:17, 2nd)
— Michigan Hockey (@umichhockey) February 22, 2015

The Big Ten Preseason Poll

The B1G released their Preseason Poll today at Media day.

1. Wisconsin

2. Minnesota

3. Michigan

4. Michigan State

5. Ohio State

6. Penn State

Big Ten Hockey: Conference releases their TV Schedule

The Big Ten Hockey Conference released it's television schedule today for the 2013-14 hockey season.  The league will also cover the inaugural Big Ten Hockey hockey tournament at the Xcel Energy Center as well.

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• Photo: Hockey teams add 'B1G' logo to ice (btn.com)

It's Official: New League Starting 2013-14 + Redwing77's Musings Part One (Updated)

Countdown to 2013-2014

Brad Schlossman confirmed what he essentially broke: There is the new conference going to go down the first year the BTHC is in existence. Here's the story:

The full statement:

We are pleased to announce that six top NCAA Division I ice hockey programs will become founding members of a newly formed hockey conference, which will begin competition for the 2013-14 season. The six institutions are Colorado College, University of Denver, Miami University, University of Minnesota Duluth, University of Nebraska Omaha and University of North Dakota.

We understand and appreciate the widespread interest in developments relating to the formation of the new hockey conference. More information will be provided about the initiatives that have been undertaken, as well as the next steps involved, at a news conference in Colorado Springs this Wednesday, July 13. Our programs look forward to continued associations with our current leagues, the WCHA and CCHA, for the next two seasons.

Additional information about Wednesday’s news conference will be forthcoming in the next few days. There will be no further comment from athletic directors, coaches or other officials from any of the institutions until Wednesday’s news conference.

I guess it has been pretty hashed out. But here's the major themes I've been seeing in comment sections:

1. BTHC started the dominoes falling. The Big Ten Hockey conference, in my opinion, did set all of this up by completely changing the landscape of college hockey from the traditional league and divisional mindset to more of a modern business perspective where TV deals and $$$ mean more than tradition and balance. Yes, there are aspects involved that make sense for the conference, but it seems like the pros don't outweigh the cons unless you are a supporter of a Big 10 team.

2. The WCHA disintegration is largely due to the WCHA leadership (or lack thereof). Goon and many others seem pretty dead set on this, but I'm STILL not sold (even after Goon called me to tell me that my perspective on this is wrong!). McLeod didn't come across as being very strong in the face of apparent crisis. I agree. He hasn't looked good many times in the past as well (I seem to recall the member schools basically bludgeoning him into admitting BSU and UNO). Greg Shepherd is just a stooge and meaningless in this case but I throw his name into this because he's a buffoon just like McLeod. In any case, my view is this: If the member schools really didn't like McLeod, they could have simply canned him. They didn't even after a bunch of bad things happened. My view is this: UND, CC, UMD, and DU didn't care much for McLeod and essentially wanted him gone. The other schools, especially the smaller schools like UAA and MTU, disagreed with the other schools. So... "the big four" couldn't garner the votes or whatnot to give McLeod the boot. So they walked and took UNO with them.

But I maintain that the WCHA administration is just one nail in the coffin. The major issue is, of course, money. The BTHC (I prefer the Big Ten Conference of Hockey so I can call it the BTCH.. lovin' that) teams are looking out for themselves and that forces other teams to do the same or flounder in mediocrity. These teams bolted for the same thing. Unfortunately, I'm not so sure it is going to be as lucrative as they expect. Likewise, sticking around wouldn't have been any better. So, it was a lose lose situation.

3. It's all UND's fault. I think it is going to be UND's fault because UND is the biggest name (despite DU being just as notable in the DI college hockey world) in the collegiate niche sport associated with the "Super League." No one will blame Miami or UNO or CC or UMD. They're all relatively small fish. That leaves DU and UND. I always thought DU and McLeod got along famously. After all, Gwoz or the DU AD had VERY easy access to McLeod. DU is a small school in a big city. That doesn't mean alot in this issue but it's all I can dream up. I'm not quite certain why, despite all of the schools that are splitting being pivotal in this process, DU isn't given the share of scrutiny that UND is being given.

4. This is the end to some of the programs. I can't much argue with this. I think most will survive but I still can't help but believe that financially strapped programs such as BGSU, LSSU, and perhaps Ferris State and Northern Michigan may end up in hot water over this. Hot water on ice usually produces a sinking feeling... And unless there's a lot of under the table secrecy that is unheard of in the days of information freedom, there's not a whole lot of schools looking to add DI Hockey. I feel that, if we're still at 59 DI hockey teams in 2016, it will be a miracle. If we increase, then Paul Kelly and College Hockey, Inc. should be deified.

5. There is going to be some mighty hard feelings even without the blame game. This is going to be the reality. I'd love to blame the BTCH (I'm rolling with it. Sue me) for this, but when Penn State announced they were going DI, I don't think anyone was surprised at the formation of the BTHC so it is a sad departure and one fraught with some bitterness, but not all that much animosity. Everyone knows what the Big 10 stands for so this is par for the course, even though the scale was a bit bigger. However, the CHSL's formation comes with a lot of mystery behind the closed doors of the WCHA meetings, some apparent built up angst certainly between some schools and the league office and perhaps even between the schools themselves... It's just not an amicable split. It's simply going to be a rough 2 years ahead of us with unknowns galore. With McLeod being rather untrustworthy to begin with, does he act professionally towards the 5 departing teams or does he throw bones to those who chose to stay? As terrifying as these conspiracy theories may be to those who believe in them, the best way to find out is to watch how the officials treat UND, DU, UMD, UNO, and CC this next two years. If any other WCHA teams, such as BSU, get the invite, throw their name into that hat as well.

Don't blame the B1G?

Just like everyone else my head is spinning with the announcement of the College Hockey Super League, for now we will just call it the CHSL until they come up with a name for it, someone over on USCHO gave it the Super 8 Hotel Logo. Why are we nervous about the changes coming in college hockey? I think it’s because most of us are afraid of the unknown, no one knows how this is going to play out. I think we all might want to take a deep breath, exhale and see how the dominos fall.

It's all UND's Fault...

When the B1G Mistake was first announced last September, I was on record as saying that his will drastically change college hockey, I don’t think any of us thought the B1G would effect college hockey this much, one could say that this is Tsunami that might be barreling out of control… There were many that said this would have no effect on college hockey and that the WCHA would still be a strong conference even without the Gophers and the Badgers…. Fast forward to the present, there is a huge fire storm swarming over college hockey. Many college hockey fans are now blaming UND for blowing up the WCHA, it's all their fault, I guess the other 5 teams in the WCHA don't hold any responsibility what-so-ever… Also, the BTHC some how holds no responsibility either? As usual “college hockey guru” Ryan Cardinal of GPL is the voice of reason with this post…

So it's okay for the Gophers and Badgers to chase the money because they "had no choice," but for UND and others to do it is wrong and that makes them punks? Please. They are doing the same thing the Big 10 teams did, and that is following the lead of their school's administration. Guarantee you Lucia and Eaves would have rather stayed in the WCHA, and same goes for Hakstol, Gwoz, etc. They just don't have the convenient cover of the Big 10.

All of these programs are positioning themselves better financially, no more, no less.

Nice to see a solid Gopher fan like Ryan Cardinal calling out others for blaming UND for all of this, Goon's World tap of the stick to Ryan Cardinal. Of course over on Twitter Hammy is less than charitable, I guess he see it differently.

First off let me say that I have nothing personally against Hammy, I don’t know the guy personally and that I have never met him, seems like a nice guy to sit down and drink a beer with; none-the-less it's seems odd for Hammy to sit there and criticize others schools for wanting to do what’s best for their school when his school is doing the same thing. Why shouldn’t the 5 WCHA schools in question be able to do what best for their schools? Were these schools just supposed to sit there and wait for Bruce McLeod to come up with a solution that works for their institutions? I hardly think so since Bruce McLeod didn’t have a plan “B” and not a very good plan “A” either…

“I’m not sure why or whatever; I’m not privy to those conversations. I’ve never had a conversation with North Dakota or Denver about their plans that they’re pushing,” McLeod said. “At this point, I haven’t thought about Plan B at all. I’m still working on the assumption that we’re together as 10 [teams after Minnesota and Wisconsin leave for the Big Ten] and, as unanimously directed by the group in Florida [at league meetings in April], can consider extending an invitation to anybody that could strengthen the league. And that’s our plan.”

Are we to believe that Bruce McLeod didn’t hear about the Super Six 6/8 conference rumors that floated around all spring? I have a hard time believing that Bruce McLeod couldn’t have picked up the phone and called any of the member schools that were rumored to be in this deal.

Do Gopher fans have the Moral High Ground?

Hammy and other like minded Gopher fans think they hold the moral high ground because they can say that their school had no choice in this matter and that they had to go BTHC. While Minnesota AD Joel Maturi might have been against the BTHC, I didn’t see him really objecting to it very hard. I am sure someone showed Maturi the financial statements and he saluted like a good soldier and marched on. Now one of the revelations to come out all of this is according to UMD beat writer Kevin Pates is that; "The Versus network is said to be a possible Super League media outlet." If that revelation comes to fruition this could end up being a lucrative deal for the CHSL.

Hey don’t blame us even though our AD was driving the bus of the BTHC

Also, another interesting piece came out today as well; Wisconsin Badgers beat writer Andy Baggot gives the media side of the argument from the Wisconsin Badgers perspective, Baggot is saying, 'don't blame the B1G on this matter.' I am sorry but I think the BTHC does share some of the blame in this matter. Not being a hater, just giving you the facts as I see them. If anything Wisconsin Athletic Director Barry Alvarez was one of the major driving forces behind this mess. I also hold Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany responsible as well...No matter how is to blame there are going to be some hurt feelings in this realignment debate.

Andy Baggot; Madison.com --- But hasn’t the idea of a Big Ten affiliation been floating out there for years? All that was needed was a sixth member, which came to life last fall when a billionaire donor decided to bankroll the sport at Penn State. When that gave way to an announcement in March that the new league was a go, it was as though thousands of heads simultaneously popped out of the sand.

Those insisting that the Big Ten doesn’t care about the greater good of college hockey are many of the same folks who stood mute in the summer of 2009 when the WCHA, needing a 12th team, yanked Nebraska-Omaha out of the CCHA and the CCHA, despite needing a replacement, told Alabama-Huntsville to swim by itself as an independent.

Word that a renegade faction is now trying to start its own eight-team league sends many messages, but one is deafening. The idea that Denver, Colorado College, North Dakota and defending NCAA champion Minnesota-Duluth would prefer to start their own brand instead of sticking with one that’s been around since 1959 — claiming 37 national titles in the process — is a clear indictment of the WCHA and the suspect management style of its commissioner, Bruce McLeod.

It also suggests that if you must assign blame in this summer of volcanic activity in men’s college hockey, you best keep your options open.

Nanne wants Gophers to add Minnesota hockey tournament

This was in Shooter's column today, former University of Minnesota Golden Gophers and Minnesota North Stars player Lou Nanne comes up with a pretty decent idea for the Gophers to continue scheduling the Minnesota WCHA schools and still keeping the main rivalry games against DU, UMD and UND. Perusing the proposal from my seat, it looks like a pretty good idea, however, how often are the Big Ten Schools going to want to come to the REA, Amsoil or Magness Arena and get beat.

Charley Walters, pioneerpress.com ----- Lou Nanne, the former University of Minnesota All-American, said he likes that the Gophers will become part of an upstart Big Ten hockey conference in 2013-14 because of Big Ten Network exposure.

But, Nanne said this morning, he has an idea "that no one is talking about and that they should do. I would have a Minnesota tournament every year instead of that Christmas tournament they've got now with schools you've never heard of."

Such a holiday tournament would include St. Cloud State, Minnesota State Mankato and Bemidji State.

"That would give visibility and credibility to the Minnesota schools and build rivalries," he said. "Don't have Duluth in it, because Duluth would be on the non-conference schedule. I would maintain Duluth and North Dakota for two non-conference games a year. The (holiday tournament) would mean two more games for Minnesota.

"That would give you six (Gophers) games that should be a must. And they would, by far, draw better at the Christmas tournament. No one has thought about it, and they better start thinking about it."

Nanne, who owns four Gophers season tickets, intends to suggest the holiday tournament to Gophers athletic director Joel Maturi.

"I don't want to go watch the weaker schools from the East; I don't care about them," Nanne said. "I care about the Minnesota schools.

"That's what this is all about, maintaining Minnesota rivalries somehow. But I really hope that they work in traditional rivalries with North

Dakota and Duluth and Denver and Colorado. North Dakota and Duluth are the biggest rivalries we've had."

Color me less than impressed

One scenario that I can see is in the future, I think the Big Ten Schools are going to fill their schedules with teams that aren’t as hard to beat, shall we call them cupcakes because face it, their conference schedule is going to be tough in the Strength of Schedule department and they are going to need rack up some wins after beating the hell out of each other to possibly to make the NCAA tourney and might have to line their non conference schedule with less challenging opponents cupcakes that are looking to travel to the Big Ten teams arena's for a pay day.

One thing I would've liked to have seen when then Big Ten Schools made their big annoucement would've been for the WCHA and CCHA athletic directors to tell the Big Ten Schools to tell them, "don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out." I would have liked to seen the Bruce McLeod tell the Big Ten Schools Minnesota and Wisconsin whatever and or nice knowing you and good luck. I would rather not have the commissioner falling all over himself. In the next breath as soon as possible I would have called for a meeting with the head of the CCHA Tom Anastos to set up discussion about forming a new super conference between the WCHA and the CCHA.

I mean seriously, what we are really doing here; the way I see it, college hockey is adding one college hockey team in PSU, this is a team who has never played a single friggen division one hockey game ever and we are now going to possibly sacrifice up to five CCHA teams, FSU, LSSU, WMU, BGSU and or NMU so the BTHC can have 40+ hockey games on their beloved BTN. I am not anti Big Ten but why not put a little more thought into it.

Mike Chambers on the BTHC...

If you haven't seen this article by Mike Chambers it's worth a look, there are some really good points in it about the impending BTHC. As some of you know I am on record as saying I am not in favor of the BTHC because I think it’s going to do some serious damage to the college hockey landscape. There are going to be some winners and losers, this blog post talks about some of the possible winners.

Another good point that I like is currently there are only one of the six Big Ten Hockey Schools in the NCAA tourney, that's if the NCAA hockey tourney started today, so the only Big Ten Hockey team currently in the NCAA hockey tourney is Michigan. That being said there is a chance there could be two teams, the Minnesota Golden Gophers have a small chance but they are going to need a lot of things to go their way to make it into the final 16 teams. I also like the Notre Dame and Miami being in the WCHA, because I think both team would be attractive options.

Mike Chambers, Denver Post --- This season’s big off-ice discussions have centered on the possible, if not probable, new Big 10 hockey conference. I’m all for it. If long-time Colorado rivals and WCHA members Wisconsin and Minnesota want to join Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State and the new Penn State program and do their own thing, have at it. And we will happily do ours.

Right now, I like the look of ours. What I mean my “ours” is a hypothetical, Western-based power league consisting of DU, CC, North Dakota, Miami (Ohio), Notre Dame and Nebraska-Omaha, and maybe the other ‘Sota schools — Minnesota-Duluth, St. Cloud State, Minnesota State and Bemidji State. If it’s only a six-team loop — preferrable to guarantee home-and-away series against every league member, a key for building rivalries – I’ll take our six teams over the Big 10 boys.

Right now, our six teams are each among the top 14 in the PairWise Rankings: North Dakota (third), Denver (fifth), Nebraska-Omaha (sixth, tied), Miami (ninth), Notre Dame (10th, tied) and CC (14th, tied). How many does the proposed Big 10 have? One — Michigan (four). Minnesota, while hot lately, is a longshot to make the NCAA Tournament. Wisconsin, Ohio State and Michigan State will have to win their league tournaments to get in.

Assuming CC gets in, our guys will go 6-for-6 in making The Show, while the Big 10 (or Big 5 right now) is looking at 1-of-5.

If the Big 10 was really smart, it would partner with our league and make it a 12-team super conference split into two divisions. The Big 10 division would have home-and-away series against each other, so 20 Big 10 games apiece, and also play each of our teams in one, two-game series — making it a 30-game league season (or 28 as it is now if we skip one opponent every year).

Whatever happens is fine by me, because I know “our” programs are going to like where they land. I sense that people within the proposed Big 10 conference are full of themselves about how great they are, and at the same time, I don’t like how our teams, our fans, are feeling sorry for themselves about these big schools doing their own thing. If our teams make a plan and stick together, our new league could be more exciting than what we currently have. Certainly, longtime WCHA rivals DU, CC and UND could sell far more tickets in home games against Notre Dame, Miami and Nebraska-Omaha than Michigan Tech, Alaska-Anchorage or Bemidji State. And undoubtedly, if a super conference happens, Minnesota and Wisconsin would benefit by still playing North Dakota and DU a couple times a year.

Will the CCHA be affected by the BTHC?

With this being the last College Hockey Show Case Andy Baggot has another article about the impending Big Ten Hockey Conference. I am really getting the feeling that no one is really looking at what this new league could do to college hockey.

Will the Western Collegiate Hockey Association hold up without Minnesota and UW?

Will the Central Collegiate Hockey Association endure without Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State?

"That's the question everyone's asking," Michigan coach Red Berenson said this week before leaving to face UW tonight and Minnesota Saturday night in the final College Hockey Showcase. "Is this good for college hockey?

"If it is, it's a no-brainer. If it's not, if it's going to hurt other programs, then we have to consider that."

UW coach Mike Eaves acknowledged both sides of the coin, but tends to believe an organized Big Ten presence will be a "good projector of college hockey."

The sport has survived a multitude of landscape changes — the advent of Hockey East and the exchange of programs between the WCHA and CCHA to name two — and will do so again.

Heck, if the WCHA can continue to prosper with its backwoods approach to management, it can seemingly withstand anything.

Besides, in terms of priorities, college hockey has a much bigger problem with personnel — only 18 scholarships, recruiting inequities in Canada and the unregulated exodus of underclassmen to the pros — than future realignment.

"Give us coaches a chance," said Michigan State coach Rick Comley, whose two-senior roster is one of those raided annually by NHL teams.

During a recent appearance in Madison, Delany was asked about the advent of Big Ten men's hockey. He implied a league was in the offing, but raised eyebrows by saying it's possible the six schools could maintain residence in the CCHA and WCHA while having their head-to-head series count toward a Big Ten champion.

"Quite frankly, if you're going to get your bang for your buck, make the conference, put it on TV and let's showcase it," Eaves said.

He's right. Bring the Big Ten schools together, let them play their 20-game schedule, let them incorporate their current rivalries into the non-conference mix.

Comley, whose club comes to the Kohl Center on Saturday night, has seen a lot in 38 seasons and 772 wins as a college coach. He has some reassuring words.

"Regardless of what happens," he said, "college hockey is going to be fine." [Read the rest of the story]

I don’t think the right people are taking a very thorough look before jumping head long into the Big Ten Hockey Conference Farce. I am being serious. I think it takes a lot more than fancy platitudes like the one by Rick Comley; “college hockey is going to be fine." How does he know? Has anyone looked at the attendance numbers of the CCHA lately? Their attendance numbers are pathetic. Most of their schools aren’t in the top 20 for attendance except Michigan 8th and Michigan State 12th. Can you imagine a league minus OSU, MSU, and UM?

Many of the schools in the CCHA are located in Michigan which is experiencing harsh economic conditions; the State of Michigan is broke. So if the CCHA takes the marquee schools like Michigan and Michigan State out of the CCHA, what’s the draw for NMU, LSSU, WMU, FSU? There aren’t a lot of fans watching their college hockey games now. Add the other programs of Miami, Alaska, Notre Dame they are barely averaging in the 3000’s.

Here are the average attendance numbers minus the Big Ten schools.

Alaska – 3,192
Miami – 3088
Northern Michigan – 3048
Notre Dame – 2742
Western Michigan – 2742
Lake State – 2245
Bowling Green – 2239
Ferris State – 1586

So will Notre Dame blink this time?

According to the Fort Wayne Journal Gazette the Big Ten has extended Notre Dame an invitation to join the league, it will be interesting to see if Notre Dame says yes this time. Notre Dame has refused the Big Ten on numerous occasions. If Notre Dame left the CCHA it could have devastating effect on the CCHA because it would leave the CCHA with one attractive draw, Miami.

FortWayne.com ---- Paul Kelly, president of College Hockey Inc., said Tuesday the Big Ten Conference has asked Notre Dame if it's interested in joining a new hockey conference.

"The invitation has been extended," said Kelly, whose year-old company is working with the NCAA to increase the profile of college hockey.

"But as I understand it," he added, "the Big Ten's rule is that if you come in for one sport, you come in for all of them, and NotreDame is interested in keeping its independence in football."

That seems to indicate the Big Ten is not interested in adding satellite members to a new hockey conference.

The last major independent in college football, NotreDame is a member of the Big East for most of its other sports, though the hockey team is a member of the Central Collegiate Hockey Association.

Kelly also said Tuesday other Big Ten schools are interested in adding Division I college hockey, though it's an expensive proposition. Penn State recently announced its intention to add Division I men's and women's hockey, a move made possible by a record-breaking $88 million donation from a wealthy alumnus.

Minnesota spends a little more than $1.4 million a year to maintain its men's program, and $655,000 on its women's program.

"Adding Division I hockey is a complex issue," Kelly said, "but there are some schools that would be interested in joining a league with the other Big Ten schools and a school like NotreDame."

Big Ten schools Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State are CCHA members. Penn State athletics director Tim Curley said he would like his team to have a conference affiliation by the 2014-15 season. [another link to the story]

What does it take...

As you know PSU is moving their club hockey team up to division one hockey after one of their wealthy alumni Terrence M. and Kim Pegula decided to give Penn State University 88 million dollars to start a hockey program and build a new hockey arena on campus. Good for them, I am excited for them. Comments oozing with sarcasm.

Thank you Terry --- There's been some discussion in the Penn State community about how successful our men's hockey team will ultimately be. Some (myself) feel like we're going to have everything in place to be a top program, while others point to the men's basketball program as evidence of Penn State's ability to run a high-profile program that isn't football.

There is a school of thought that I have seen a few places on the internet where I have read comments by PSU hockey fans that think they are just going to build a brand new hockey arena, start a hockey program then they are going to become this division one power house hockey team. It doesn’t work like that. That line of thinking is comparable to saying I am starting a division one football program, I want to play the power house teams in the south like FSU, Miami, Georgia, Alabama, beat them on the football field and oh yeah, I am going to compete for a SEC title right out of the blocks. First thing I would ask you, "is what are you smoking?"

Seriously folks, it takes many seasons to build a successful division one hockey team. To answer the comment “We're sorry that Joe Battista didn't abandon his life's work and tell the guy with $88 million to stick it so you could keep playing Michigan Tech and St. Cloud State .” The comments are clueless and lack merit, Oh yeah! In case you forgot; Michigan Tech has more historical significance than you think; they have actually won a couple of NCAA titles during the 1970’s and they gave us the awesome/great Michigan Tech pep band and the MacNaughton Cup. SCSU has left a pretty big mark on college hockey as well and just look around the NHL, you will see many great SCSU alum playing in the NHL. Same thing with new member Bemidji State they have actually gone to the NCAA tourney and made the Frozen Four.

I think this type of thinking is ridiculous; there are established college hockey programs and Big Ten Schools like Minnesota with five NCAA division one hockey titles struggling to make the WCHA Final Five and or make the NCAA hockey tourney. One can make the argument that Minnesota has all the advantages, they have a great television deal with FSN, they have a big beautiful hockey arena, a great metro area with many blue chip hockey recruits sitting right in their back yard and they are struggling to make the NCAA hockey tourney.

What makes people think in the non hockey state of Pennsylvania they are going make it to the top? Where the hell are you going to recruit you players from? The East Coast is already saturated with great hockey teams recruiting for hockey recruits. Do PSU fans think they are going compete with a the BU and B.C. hockey teams for recruits? Traditional hockey powers like DU, UND, UW UMN, and Michigan have trouble at times competing with B.C. and BU. I don’t want to hear the argument that Cindy Crosby has put PA on the map and that is going to benefit the PSU hockey team.

In conclusion I don’t blame college hockey fans for be a little surly when it comes to the discussion of a Big Ten Hockey Conference. We have survived for a very long time without having a BTHC. I don’t like the concept of having a BTHC because I think it’s going to be a death sentence for unstable division one hockey programs. The WCHA will fine but what about the CCHA? How are LSSU, BGSU, WMU and a few other hockey teams going to be able to survive if you take the big money maker teams away from their league? We were told that a few of these teams were on life support and that was the reason why the CCHA couldn’t add UAH.

Is killing college hockey in its present form that important to the Big Ten so the BTN can show a few more hockey game on television? What’s preventing them from doing that now? I think when it’s all said and done that hockey people need to discuss this issue and not make a bunch of rash decision and tell the football cabal needs to get the hell out of the way and STFU.

Big Ten Conference hockey? It's a strong possibility

I found this little news nugget in today’s Saint Cloud Times. First off; I can’t be the only one that is uninspired by McLeod’s leadership in moving the WCHA forward with the Big Ten Hockey Conference looming in the future. I am actually more worried now after reading these comments from McLeod; combine these comments in this news article with his interview with Scott Williams Lakeland Public Television during the UND and BSU series a few weeks back I am even more concerned. I am still trying to download the interview between Scott Williams and Bruce McLeod and will do so as soon as I can figure out how to rip the DVD to my hard drive.

Times news services --- Though Penn State officially is committed to playing NCAA Division I hockey, Big Ten Conference representatives won’t speculate about the possibility of an official Big Ten hockey conference.

The Nittany Lions, they point out, haven’t even hired an architect to design their arena. And, they add, such a monumental decision would require a significant amount of discussion at the elite levels of college athletics.

Bruce McLeod doesn’t buy it.

“The way I see it, there’s not much to speculate about,” the Western Collegiate Hockey Association commissioner said. “They were already looking at it, and now they have six teams. They will have it.”

Last summer, the Big Ten reached out to McLeod and other college hockey leaders about the possibility of starting a hockey conference. Despite only having five schools that play Division I men’s hockey — Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State — the Big Ten thought a conference could be created through affiliate memberships with schools such as Notre Dame.

“I and some other people fought very, very hard for several months to avoid that,” McLeod said Monday. “We made a pretty good case, and it didn’t happen.”

Minnesota was among those opposed, though with the addition of a sixth conference team — the number the NCAA requires for a conference championship — arguments against a Big Ten men’s hockey conference might have dried up

College hockey's landscape is changing, but is there room for UAH?

I know this is a little old but If you haven't seen this article it's worth a look.

The Huntsville Times --- Wisconsin athletic director Barry Alvarez told Madison.com he expects the creation of Big Ten ice hockey to be at the top of the agenda at this month's conference meeting.

"I don't know the logistics - how long it takes to get out of a league, all of that - but I sense that we will move in that direction," he said.

The Chargers, meanwhile, continue to demonstrate patience. Athletic director Jim Harris has paid close attention to the developing situation in college hockey and hopes to keep UAH in a position to reach a conference agreement.

"We're prepared to visit or talk with any conference, and we'd certainly welcome the opportunity to be in this new landscape," Harris said. "We'd hope that if there is pow-wow of these major conferences, they'd at least include us in the talk to understand that we're still ready and still very viable."

The conference most likely to be affected by this forecasted seismic shift would be the CCHA, which currently claims Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State as members. Commissioner Tom Anastos recognized losing three of the conference's top teams is a possibility but isn't scrambling to make changes until he hears something definitive.

"I'd say it's way too early to really speculate on it," Anastos said. "I'm reading all the speculation, but I really don't want to engage in it because it's simply speculation."

Anastos said the CCHA is completing new organizational structures that will continue to evaluate any potential landscape changes, but stopped short of saying what schools it would take into consideration.

"(Our evaluations) aren't triggered because of any particular reason," Anastos said. "We just think it's good business to be constantly evaluating your structure.

Blais on the BTHC

I have to agree with Dean Blais on this one, what does Barry Alvarez really know about hockey? I think the Big Ten should concentrate on things that they do well;  like Basketball and Football championships. These athletic directors are messing with college hockey that is already successful and there is a delicate balance that they could upset if they get greedy.

Q: What's your take on the Big Ten possibly starting a hockey league?

A: I don't know what's going to happen for sure. I hear Penn State is starting a program and building an arena. It's hard, hard to get into a conference. They are talking about it. There's got to be a lot of thought that goes into it if the Big Ten schools are going to get together at the expense of hurting college hockey. If you have 55 (58) schools playing hockey and five fold because of that, you better know what you're doing.

(Five programs would fold? Blais said it could happen in the CCHA if it loses three teams to the Big Ten. He had some strong words for the Big Ten schools in the WCHA. “Barry Alvarez, the Wisconsin athletic director, has been pushing this. He's a football guy. Does he know anything about hockey? This could really hurt the sport. Minnesota and Wisconsin have to think about the backlash in future schedules. What's keeping everyone from blackballing them and making them look east?”)

Mavs' WCHA move looks even better now

The Mavericks hockey blogger has a really good point, the Mavericks move to the WCHA is looking much better now. In case there is a Big Ten Hockey Conference, it's pretty obvious that the WCHA is a much better conference minus Big Ten teams Wisconsin and Minnesota, than the CCHA is minus Ohio State University, Michigan State University and Michigan.

Mavericks Today -- Penn State announced on Friday that it would be joining the Division I hockey ranks in 2012-13. Many people now believe it's just a matter of time before the Big Ten forms its own hockey conference, snagging Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State from the CCHA; Minnesota and Wisconsin from the WCHA; and combining those five programs with the Nittany Lions. Big Ten hockey -- long the stuff of rumors -- appears to be an inevitable reality, and it might come into existence by 2014.

But UNO can take comfort in the fact that it still will be aligned with schools such as North Dakota, St. Cloud State, Minnesota-Duluth, Colorado College and Denver. A 10-team WCHA, minus Minnesota and Wisconsin, would still be a viable, vital conference. Not as good as the 12-team monster UNO fans will enjoy watching for the next couple of years, but good nonetheless.

The introduction of Big Ten hockey, however, potentially could destroy the CCHA. So it's a good thing that UNO got out when it did.

I'm of the opinion that college hockey would have a much brighter future, at least for the next two decades, if Penn State simply joined the CCHA and stayed there for awhile. This sport is a unique beast in the realm of NCAA athletics, and those at the highest levels need to think about the greater good before they act in the interest of six brand-name schools. This is not a situation equivalent to the conference craziness involving college football, because hockey is only played in select pockets of the country, and it isn't a strong enough entity on the national radar that it can make such seismic changes without considering the plight of smaller schools. Let Penn State build its foundation as a Division I program. Let a decade pass, and see what the ripple effects will be of the Nittany Lions' decision.

Penn State Joins College Hockey - Links

Today was a historic day in the college hockey world as Penn State University announced that they are going to start a Division I hockey program for the 2012-2013 season.

Penn State to play Division I hockey [Read article]

That could create a domino effect for college hockey throughout the Midwest.

Both the CCHA and WCHA have expressed interest in adding Penn State.

"They are a very attractive choice -- very attractive," CCHA commissioner Tom Anastos said earlier this month, according to the Detroit News. "They're in a different market than we're in, more and more U.S. players are on college rosters, and there's tremendous growth of the sport in Pennsylvania."

The addition of men's and women's ice hockey will increase the number of sports at Penn State to 31, one of the largest athletic programs in the country among BCS schools.

Curley said the new hockey facility is scheduled to be built by spring 2014, just west of the Jordan Center, home to the university's basketball teams. The arena will include two ice sheets, and university leaders hope to attract NHL and minor-league exhibition hockey games.

I guess I didn’t realize that the WCHA was interested in adding Penn State to the mix?

It’s Officially Official: Penn State Hockey Goes D-1 [Read article]

The new, state of the art. $75 million arena, is expected to be completed by 2013 and funded exclusively by private donations.

It will include two ice sheets and other features that will allow it to be used for a broad range of campus and community activities, from commencement ceremonies to kinesiology classes to public skating sessions and camps for youth. The facility will provide new training and performance opportunities for Penn State’s popular and successful figure skating club and for the University’s women’s ice hockey team. It also will offer ice time to recreational and high school hockey programs, as well as intramural and local speed skating and broomball clubs. The state-of-the-art arena will be able to host events such as professional ice shows and National Hockey League and American Hockey League exhibition games, generating tourism and other economic impacts in the region.

Penn State starting NCAA hockey program[Read article]

Penn State hockey fans can thank Terry and Kim Pegula, who donated US$88 million — the largest private gift in Penn State history — to fund a new multi-purpose arena and help upgrade the men's program. The athletic department will fund, or seek other private donations, for the women's program.

"So maybe someday in these hills of Pennsylvania, we're going to find a Pennsylvania (Sidney) Crosby," Terry Pegula said at a trustees meeting Friday morning, referring to the Pittsburgh Penguins' star. "Hopefully, he'll play hockey for Penn State, and I think that's awesome."

Players like Sidney Crosby don't grow on trees and the Penn State University will have to establish a recruiting a niche and it’s going to be harder than it looks. There are some good programs already pounding the turf to compete for top recruits.

Penn State's addition leads to Big Ten hockey speculation [Read article]

CCHA commissioner Tom Anastos issued a statement on behalf of his membership, welcoming Penn State into "the college hockey family" and saying the league will support the Nittany Lions' transition to Division I over the next few seasons.

Anastos did not mention speculation about what league Penn State might join but did say the CCHA will continue to exist for a long time.

"The CCHA's formation 40 years ago was based on the development of emerging programs and, as we set our sights on our next 40 years, we look forward to working with programs such as Penn State and, hopefully, others, in providing leadership that will increase the profile of college hockey and foster continued growth."

College hockey: Penn State to add Division I team [Read Article]

Five other Big Ten schools play Division I hockey, but there is no Big Ten hockey league.

Minnesota and Wisconsin play in the Western Collegiate Hockey Association, and Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State are in the Central Collegiate Hockey Association.

"We're all well aware of the ramifications ... of having a sixth Big Ten hockey school, and what that means for a lot of us," WCHA commissioner Bruce McLeod told insidecollegehockey.com, which reported Penn State's plans.

Leave it to the WCHA commissioner Bruce McLeod to offer steady leadership with his inspiring and witty comments. I am not so sure McLeod is the best person to lead the WCHA through this transition (if there is one).

Penn State University will add varsity men's and women's hockey starting in 2012 [Read Article]

The Straight Edge: Penn State Div I program strengthens NCAA landscape [Read Article]

The nuts and bolts are still being worked out, but the Nittany Lions will likely begin their Division I life as an independent before joining up with a power conference. Geographically, the CCHA makes the most sense, but the major rumblings involved in this story is how a Big Ten Conference – featuring Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Wisconsin and Minnesota – could now be formed. The Big Ten cable TV network is a huge cash cow and Big Ten hockey would bolster the schedule.

“The biggest thing any network wants is inventory,” said one insider. “College basketball usually runs Thursday and Saturday, so Friday nights are open. And Penn State comes in with half a million living alumni.”

That’s a lot of potential hockey fans tuning in, especially when the fans already have a hate-on for the Ohio States and Michigans thanks to football and basketball rivalries.

There has, of course, been worry about what taking the five best teams from the CCHA and WCHA would do to the college hockey landscape, but I think adding a conference will help. As it is now, Alabama-Huntsville is looking for a home and Bemidji State jumped through hoops to get into the WCHA. And with RIT’s miracle run to the Frozen Four (with Bemidji State preceding them the year prior), it’s obvious smaller schools can have an impact when given the chance. Kelly agrees with that sentiment.

“I think they’ll come together,” he said. “College coaches don’t want to see the loss of programs.”

Wherever the Nittany Lions end up, they’ll likely get knocked around the first year or so, but progress won’t take long.

“They’re going to have a natural flow of highly-skilled players into their program,” Kelly said. “Penn State will have an immediate crop of kids who want to play there.

Penn State To Add Division 1 Hockey [Read Article]

Penn State to add varsity hockey – Minneapolis Star Tribune

Penn State To Add Men's, Women's Hockey - [Read Article]

Penn State's hockey program jumps to Division 1-A, could lead to Big Ten hockey conference [Read Article]

Michigan coach Red Berenson said Friday afternoon that although Penn State's financial commitment to hockey is a "huge step in the right direction for any more future growth in college hockey" having the Nittany Lions join one conference over another doesn't make a difference to him.

Berenson expects a lot of speculation to take place over the next four years, but he doesn't think the answer is breaking up existing leagues with long-standing traditions.

"I don't think teams are anxious to leave their own conference and abandon them and start a new conference," Berenson said. "I don't think anyone wants to see a league take a hit.

A voice of calm from the Michigan head coach. I have to say Red that I agree.

WCHA could lose Gophers and Badgers

Here is an interesting story written by Kevin Pates that was in today's Duluth New Tribune.

Duluth New Tribune --- WCHA commissioner Bruce McLeod addressed the possible changes last weekend at league coaches meetings in Bloomington, Minn., said Minnesota coach Don Lucia on Monday. The WCHA will start 2010-11 with 12 teams with the addition of Bemidji State and Nebraska-Omaha.

“The strength of the WCHA has been the commitment of member schools, and if Minnesota and Wisconsin were to leave, the league will still be a good, strong league. It will not be a drastic change,” Lucia said. “But right now this is all speculation. Will Penn State add hockey? Will the Big Ten schools want to form their own league? Will they be interested in adding affiliate members?”

Penn State of University Park, Pa., has plans to build a rink that seats 6,000 to 8,000 and costs $60 million to $80 million, according to a report last month in the Altoona (Pa.) Mirror. The school has men’s and women’s club teams that play in the 1,350-seat Penn State Ice Rink.

Inside College Hockey is reporting that Penn State could announce the addition of varsity hockey as soon as Friday.

“I can’t imagine Penn State going to the effort of adding hockey without the understanding it will be playing other Big Ten schools,” Lucia said.

For starters, a Big Ten hockey league would include WCHA members Minnesota and Wisconsin, and Central Collegiate Hockey Association members Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State, for a total of six schools. That’s the number the NCAA requires for an automatic entry into the Division I playoffs.

“We’ve all heard the talk of a Big Ten Conference in hockey for the last four or five years, and it picked up more steam in the last year,” said UMD coach Scott Sandelin. “If Penn State starts hockey, then the league looks like a good possibility.

“If that happens, the WCHA will survive. Bruce McLeod was already proactive, in a sense, by adding two teams this season.”

Will Penn State Add Division I Hockey?

According to Mike Eidelbes and Jess Myers Penn State is going to announce possibly this week that Penn State’s plans to launch a men’s Division I hockey program. The first word out of my mouth is yawn! Seriously, I am sick and tired about hearing about the potential of having a Big Ten Hockey Conference and how it's going to ruin the rest of college hockey but become a six team utopia in the same breath.

We heard for years from chest thumping Big Ten fans that if there ever was a Big Ten Hockey Conference the Big Ten is going to dominate the at-large bids for the NCAA tourney and dominate the college hockey world. Don’t forget this is the same league that has this awesome television channel but didn’t take the time to even broadcast the pretty match ups on the BTN. So before you get your knickers in a bunch, WCHA self proclaimed powerhouse Minnesota has had a hard time even qualifying for home ice for the WCHA playoffs let alone making the NCAA tourney, they have missed it the last two season.

In a move that will significantly alter the college hockey landscape, the formal announcement of Penn State’s plans to launch of a men’s hockey program is imminent, sources tell Inside College Hockey.

Multiple sources in college and junior hockey, speaking on the condition of anonymity, confirmed the plan; one source told INCH that the university will make a formal announcement this Friday. A Penn State spokesperson late last week declined to comment on the matter.

With an enrollment of approximately 45,000 students at its State College campus, including nearly 39,000 undergraduates, Penn State would become the second-largest institution in the United States to offer Division I men’s college hockey—only Ohio State, with more than 52,000 students at its Columbus campus, is bigger. The Nittany Lions would become the 59th Division I men’s hockey program.

“It is great for the sport,” WCHA commissioner Bruce McLeod said, while stopping short of confirming the plans. “A program of that stature to potentially add a Division I men’s hockey program is an exciting thing for the sport.”

While a university with the name recognition of Penn State adding a varsity program can only help the profile of college hockey, the impact on current conference configurations, especially the CCHA and WCHA, could be significant. Penn State would join Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Ohio State, and Wisconsin as the sixth Big Ten Conference institution to sponsor varsity hockey. That’s the minimum number of schools required by the NCAA for a conference to award automatic bid to the NCAA Tournament, and the Big Ten covets hockey for its wildly successful television network.

If for some reason there is a Big Ten Hockey Conference I think you will see a realignment of college hockey. If that happens I would like to see more of a super conference with the WCHA and the CCHA schools. Then we could find a place for UAH to go as well. Contrary to the self absorbed elites there would still be some nice schools left in spite of the Big Ten. Maybe you could re-align the WCHA to include Northern and Fairbanks.

Don't count on a Big Ten Hockey Conference anytime soon.

For years we have heard how Notre Dame might end up joining the Big Ten Conference, well this is the second article this summer that I have read that said Notre Dame has rejected the idea. So for now it doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon.

CHICAGO – Some have suspected the Big Ten has been subtly trying to put pressure on Notre Dame in its latest attempt to woo the college football giant by showing how eager other major schools are to join their lucrative conference

Well, if that was the tactic, it has failed.

For the first time since the conference opened the subject of expansion as a topic last December, it has admitted that Notre Dame as a prospective member is a dead issue. That's three swings and three misses at ND over the better part of the last two decades.

Share “I don't see them as a player,” said Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany on Monday at the Big Ten Football Kickoff event.
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Don't count on a BTHC anytime soon...

From time to time you hear rumblings about some teams in the Big Ten wanting to start a BTHC. Well don't count on that happening anytime soon, only five schools in the Big Ten have hockey and Notre Dame said no to joining the Big Ten Conference. I think that is good news for the WCHA and the CCHA. Or is it?

The Big Ten has long coveted Notre Dame, but that's unlikely to happen anytime soon. The Big Ten added Nebraska as its 12th member recently and would love to bring Notre Dame into the conference, too.

But Notre Dame, armed with its own TV contract and a national following and recruiting base, seems inclined to remain an independent.

"Being independent is a part of our history," said Litchfield's John Carlson, a tight end with the Seattle Seahawks. "It's something we take pride in. From that standpoint, I would like to see Notre Dame stay independent.

"Additionally, our other sports are in the Big East so that would kind of throw a wrench into some established rivalries that already exist in those other sports."

Eden Prairie's Mark LeVoir, an offensive tackle with the New England Patriots, said it would be a "travesty" if Notre Dame joined a conference
[Red Star and Sickle]